Hegel ,Judaism &Islam

Dr. Abdul Lathief

http://lathief1.tripod.com

 

 

Hegel is one of my favorites and I consider him as one of the great masters of the ages.But what confuses and surprises me is his criticism and knowledge of other philosophers(especially  Spinoza 's Substance) and the major religions like Hinduism,Judaism,Islam  and even Christianity except perhaps Protestant Christianity.

 

"But even religion, as it grows and expands, lets other aspects of the Idea of humanity grow and expand also (§§ 566 seqq.). As it left therefore behind, in its first immediate, and so also one-sided phase, Religion may, or rather must, appear in its existence degraded to sensuous externality, and thus in the sequel become an influence to oppress liberty of spirit and to deprave political life. Still the principle has in it the infinite 'elasticity' of the 'absolute' form', so as to overcome this depraving of the form-determination (and the content by these means), and to bring about the reconciliation of the spirit in itself. Thus ultimately, in the Protestant conscience the principles of the religious and of the ethical conscience come to be one and the same: the free spirit learning to see itself in its reasonableness and truth. In the Protestant state, the constitution and the code, as well as their several applications, embody the principle and the development of the moral life, which proceeds and can only proceed from the truth of religion, when reinstated in its original principle and in that way as such first become actual". -(Encyclopedia-Philosophy of Mind-$552)

I will concentrate in  this article on his criticism of Judaism and Islam.

"I refrain from accumulating further examples of the religious and poetic conceptions which it is customary to call pantheistic. Of the philosophies to which that name is given, the Eleatic, or Spinozist, it has been remarked earlier (§ 50, note) that so far are they from identifying God with the world and making him finite, that in these systems this 'everything' has no truth, and that we should rather call them monotheistic, or, in relation to the popular idea of the world, acosmical. They are most accurately called systems which apprehend the Absolute only as substance. Of the oriental, especially the Mohammedan, modes of envisaging God, we may rather say that they represent the Absolute as the utterly universal genus which dwells in the species or existences, but dwells so potently that these existences have no actual reality. The fault of all these modes of thought and systems is that they stop short of defining substance as subject and as mind".(Encyclopedia -Philosophy of Mind-$573)

"If we consider God as the Essence only, and nothing more, we know Him only as the universal and irresistible Power; in other words, as the Lord. Now the fear of the Lord is, doubtless, the beginning, bait only the beginning, of wisdom. To look at God in this light, as the Lord, and the Lord alone, is especially characteristic of Judaism and also of Mohammedanism. The defect of these religions lies in their scant recognition of the finite, which, be it as natural things or as finite phases of mind, it is characteristic of the heathen and (as they also for that reason are) polytheistic religions to maintain intact". (Encyclopedia-Logic-$112)

"It is true that God is necessity, or, as we may also put it, that he is the absolute Thing: he is however no less the absolute Person. That he is the absolute Person however is a point which the philosophy of Spinoza never reached: and on that side it falls short of the true notion of God which forms the content of religious consciousness in Christianity. Spinoza was by descent a Jew; and it is upon the whole the Oriental way of seeing things, according to which the nature of the finite world seems frail and transient, that has found its intellectual expression in his system. This Oriental view of the unity of substance certainly gives the basis for all real further development. Still it is not the final idea".(Encyclopedia-Logic-$151)

"The charge will be seen to be unfounded if we remember that his system, instead of denying God, rather recognises that he alone really is. Nor can it be maintained that the God of Spinoza, although he is described as alone true, is not the true God, and therefore as good as no God. If that were a just charge, it would only prove that all other systems, where speculation has not gone beyond a subordinate stage of the idea - that the Jews and Mohammedans who know God only as the Lord - and that even the many Christians for whom God is merely the most high, unknowable, and transcendent being, are as much atheists as Spinoza"(ibid-$151)

When Hegel says Jewish , Islamic,and Spinoza's God is Essence or its Sub category Substance first we have to look into Hegel's notion of Essence and Substance.

Hegel himself says in Science of Logic that the"content of Logic is the exposition of God as he is in himself before the creation of nature and a finite mind" . In Encyclopedia in the development of the Absolute as Absolute Idea Essence is only at the second category and Substance is only its subcategory.(I.Being II.Essence:a-Possibility b-Contingency c-Real possibility(Necessity):-1-relationship of Substantiality 2-relationship of Causality 3-Reciprocity. III: Notion.1-Subjective Notion 2-Object 3-Idea-a-Life b-Cognition(i-knowledge(thinking) ii-will) c-Absolute Idea.

 

From the above it is clear that according to Hegel Jewish,Islamic and Spinoza,s God is not even developed in to the stage of Causality or Reciprocity, so of course far from the  Category  Notion.

"The Notion  is the principle of freedom, the power of substance self-realised"(logic$160).

So according to Hegel, Jewish ,Islamic and Spinoza's God is neither a Living (life) God,nor a Knowing or Willing God or in short a not Self realised God but only a Substance so never contain the Notion of Absolute Idea.

I will write about Hegel's criticism of Spinoza and his Substance &Hinduism in a later article.I think any one with basic ideas of Jewish religious texts like written Torah(old testament),Oral Torah or Talmud will be able to see the apparent contradiction between  the criticism of Hegel and the concept of God in these Holy texts.

I will concentrate only on the Islamic concept of God.

According to Islam and Holy Quran and the Sufi doctrine of Emanation based on Islamic teachings God has both  Eternal and Temporal aspect.

Eternal aspect has bothTransendental and Immanent elements which other similar mystical systems like Kabbala ,Pythogrism,Neoplatonism, Buddism etc describe as three Logi or upper Triad,or three eternal planes. So this Eternal  aspect has two (or three) planes.

The first plane is what Sufi’s call the Essence.This Essence has two aspects.One is the state of pure essence ,the unknowable essence.Here this essence is not the same as the essence of Hegel but denotes the self conscious being in itself without reference to attributes(other categories). Mystics use Being  to denote the Absolute in this plane because there is no category to express this plane in knowledge.This Being is not same as the pure being of Hegel which is the beginning or first category but refers to Essence which knows itself or self conscious Being.This is Spencer's The Unknown and Unknowable,and Spinoza's Unknowable Substance with infinite essential attributes out of which only two attributes(thought &extension) is knowable.In Hegel’s system this corresponds to the Absolute Idea as Subject without reference to any other categories.

Below is one Quranic verse denoting the first aspect of this  plane.

"Nothing is like Him" -(Ch-XLII-verse-9)

The second aspect of this Essence is viewing this essence as Absolute in its Unity.The Essence with attributes or Qualities.This Sufis call  the state of potentialities with 4 attribtes.Being(potential life,potential self),Knowledge,Love(potential will,desire) and Power. This is the plane before creation.This is Plotinus's God with Being,Knowledge and Power.This is Hegel's Notion in and for Itself. Absolute as Absolute Idea with all other Categories as its contents.Many mystical system make these two separate planes with pure essence as first plane and essence with attributes second plane.

Below some Quranic verses denoting this aspect.

"With Him are the keys of the Unknown which only He knows"-(Ch-Al-Anam-verse-59)

 

"You know what is in my mind but I do not know what is in Your mind-(Ch-Maidah-v-116)

 

"God knows everything"-(Ch-Tauba-v-75)

"God is ever Living and Supporting"-(Ch- 2-ver-253)

"He does what He Wills"-(Ch-11-ver-107)

"And you shall not will except as God Wills"-(Dahr-v-31)

 

"Had He Willed ,He would have made you all one communiy,but He wants to try you in what He has given you"-(Ch- Maidah-v-48)

 

"Say :He God is One -He does not beget -and He is not begotten.-and there is no equal to Him"-(Ch-112)

 

The second plane is the Absolute in his both Transcendent and Immanent aspect.This is the stage at which the Absolute becomes both Universal and Particular.This is intimately connected with creation so this stage develops through Nature and Mind.This Sufis call the Unique and describe as the Absolute with seven mothers of attributes.Life,Knowledge,Will,Power,Hearing,Sight and Speech.This is similar to Hegel's Absolute Idea as Absolute Mind developing through Nature and finite Mind.

 

The third plane is that of temporal or Manifestation,as Nature and finite mind.

 

Below is some Quaranic verses denoting the second  plane.

 

"And it is He who Hears and Sees"-(Ch-XLII-9)

 

"My servant cannot approach Me with something which would please Me more than  that which I have imposed upon him.And  when my servant approach me without ceasing by his surrogative works until I love him; and when I love him I am the hearing by which he hears,the sight by which he sees ,his tongue with which he speaks,the hand with which he takes and the foot with which he walks"-(Words of Prophet)

Lastly I will quote the commentary of some of these Quranic verses by the Sufi Ibn-Arabi-Spain(1164-1240)from his great classic Fusus al hikam ,who is known as the Greatest Master among Sufi circles and who lived more than 500 years before Hegel..

"Nothing is like Him ,and it is He who Hears and Sees"-(Ch-XLII-9)

 

Commentary-Do not then ,know Him only one side ,and remain ignorant of Him on the other;do not affirm Him here ,while denying Him there,unless you do affirm Him under the aspect in which He Himself affirms Himself ,and you do deny Him equally under the aspect that He himself denies,according to the Quranic verse which synthesises the negation and affirmation towards God: "Nothing is like Him ,and it is He who Hears and Sees". In the first part of this verse ,God denies (every quality with respect to Him)and in the second part He affirms (His Being)in respect of the quality which englobes all living beings gifted with hearing or vision.

 

"Say :He, God is One -He does not beget-and He is not begotten-and there is no equal to Him"(.-Ch-CXII)

 

Commentary-"Say :He, God is One" -in his essence -God is Absolute-the independent upon which everything depends,-"He does not beget" -neither in His aseity,nor in His relation towards us-"and He is not begotten"(in the same respect)-"and there is no equal to Him"-in this respect.It is that which is His own quality .By his word "say: He is One" ...He abstracts his essence from all multiplicity:on the other hand ,this manifests itself by virtue of the well known Divine attributes.It is we who beget and are begotten and it is we  who depend on Him-May he be exalted-! so we are similar one to another,where as the Unique ,the Transcendent ,is independent with regard to these attributes as He is independent of us.. The Unity of God which reveals itself in respect of the Divine Names, postulating our existence is the Unity of the Multiple ,and the Unity of God by which He is independent of us and of the Names  ,is Essential Unity ;the one and the other are contained in the Name the One (al-ahad)-

 

Commentary:-When one thing is penetrated by something else,the first is contained by the second.;for the penetrating hides itself in the penetrated,so that the latter is apparent and the former,the interior, is latent;the penetrating is also like the food of the penetrated,in the manner that water spreads itself in wool and makes it more heavier and voluminous.If it is the Divinity that appears ,and the creature is found hidden there,this latter is assimilated into all the Names of God, into His Hearing,into His Seeing, into all His attributes and His modes of  knowledge; in turn,if  it is the creature who is apparent and the Divinity is immanent to him and is found hidden within,God is the Hearing of the created beings,his Sight,his hand,his foot and all his faculties as is said in the divine word surely transmitted ;(My servant cannot approach Me with something which would please Me more than that which I have imposed upon him.And when My servant approach Me without ceasing by his surrogative works until I love him; and when I love him I am the Hearing by which he hears,the Sight by which he sees ,his tongue with which he Speaks,the hand with which he takes and the foot with which he walks).

 

Commentary:-For the Essence loves perfection ;but,the knowledge that God has of Himself in so far as He is independent of all worlds ,refers only to Himself ;so that knowledge be perfect in all degrees ,it is necessary that knowledge of the ephemeral ,knowledge which results precisely from these determinations ,-meaning the determinations of the world in so far as they exist -is realised equally.The Divine perfection (or the infinity)expresses itself then,in that it manifests relative knowledge as well as eternal knowledge ,so that the Divine dignity of Knowledge be perfect under the one and the other aspect (although relative knowledge adds nothing to Absolute Knowledge.)

       In the same manner the Being perfects itself .For the Being is in one way eternal and in another way non eternal or to become.The eternal Being is the Being of God in Himself;the non-eternal being is the Divine Being (reflecting Himself) in the 'forms' of the immutable world (that is to say in the archetypes);it is that which one means by 'become'(or happening) because the Being is manifested there from one part to the other .He manifests Himself ,then,to Himself in the forms of the world,so that the Being be perfect (in every aspect although the relative can add nothing to the eternal).

       The movement of the world ,then is born of the love of perfection(or of infinity).

 

As to Hegel's criticism that Jewish and Islamic God only evokes fear I think it is enough to say  only that in all the 114 chapters of the Quran each and every chapter begins with the words: "In the name of God,Most Compassionate,Most Merciful".

As a matter of fact Hegel himself says Religious Truth is Eternal,fixed,fundamental and unchancgeable.But the problem is when ever Hegel speaks of Religions he only mean Christianity and when ever he speaks of God as Truth he only means the Christian God.

"But as regards the comparison between the history of Religion and that of Philosophy as to inner content, there is not in the latter as there is in Religion a fixed and fundamental truth which, as unchangeable, is apart from history. The content of Christianity, which is Truth, has, however, remained unaltered as such, and has therefore little history or as good as none. Hence in Religion, on account of its very nature as Christianity, the conflict referred to disappears. The errors and additions constitute no difficulty. They are transitory and altogether historical in character"-(lectures on history of philosophy-introduction-A-Notion of the history of philosophy)

I conclude this article from the same Grand Master Ibn Arabi.In contrast to the above narrow and rigid reasoning and understanding see the knowledge of the Great Master Ibn Arabi and what he says about God and Truth and the Virtue of Tolerance.

“According to a certain point of view ,the pronoun,in the sentence:"Is there any thing which does not exalt His praise?" refers to the thing itself,that is to say the creature praises by that which it is.This is analogous to that which we were saying of the believer ,meaning that he praises the Divinity which conforms to his own belief and connects himself to it in this way ;but,all acts returns to their author,so that the believer praises himself ,as the work praises its artist ,all perfection and all lack that it manifests falling back on its author.In the same way ,the Divinity (as such,which)conforms to the belief is created by he who concentrates on It,and It is his own work.In praising that which he believes ,the believer praises his own soul,it is because of that that he condemns other beliefs than his own.;if he was just ,he would not do it;only, he who is fixed on a certain particular adoration is necessarily ignorant(of the intrinsic truths of other beliefs),in the same way that his belief in God implies  a negation of the other forms of belief.If he understood the sense of the word of Junaid :"The colour of water is the colour of its receptacle" he would admit the validity of all beliefs,and he would recognise God in every form and  every object of faith.

 

The End

 

APPENDIX

 

1-JOHN BARDIS POST-YAHOO HEGEL GROUPS

 

According to Hegel all true religions have the same content but different forms.

So what is this content?

I believe the content of true religion for Hegel is, first, that God is triune,
and, second, that God has the form of a man. So, obviously, the form of
Christianity is best suited to this content.

This content is seemingly not to be found in Islam. But this content is
certainly to be found in the work of Ibn 'Arabi. For many Muslims Ibn 'Arabi is
regarded as a heretic and a crypto-Christian. For others, including Dr. Lathief,
he is regarded as the Great Sheik.

One very good book about Ibn 'Arabi is SUFISM AND TAOISM by Toshihiko Izutsu. As
a small step in a large subject, the following comes from pages 236ff of that
book:

"All prophets, in Ibn 'Arabi's view, are embodiments of the idea of the Perfect
Man. But the Islamic Prophet, Muhammad, occupies among them a very special
place. What is particularly important about Muhammad is that he had been a
cosmic being before he was raised as an individual prophet at a certain moment
of human history in the capacity of God's Messenger to the Arabs. Ibn 'Arabi
bases this conception on a well-known Tradition in which Muhammad describes
himself as a being of a cosmic nature by saying: 'I was a prophet even while
Adam was between clay and water'.

"Ontologically, Muhammad as a cosmic being who existed from eternity corresponds
to, or represents, the level of the permanent archetypes; that is, the level of
Being 'which is neither existent nor non-existent', the intermediary stage
(barzakh) between the absolute Absolute and the world which is the outer
self-manifestation of the Absolute. This intermediary stage is divine in so far
as it is identified with the Divine Consciousness, but it is, at the same time,
essentially creaturely or human in that it has significance only as it is
related to the created world. The intermediary stage in this latter aspect,
i.e., considered in its human aspect, is the Reality of Muhammad. And it is also
the Perfect Man on the cosmic level.

"Thus understood, the Reality of Muhammad is not exactly the permanent
archetypes themselves. Rather, it is the unifying principle of all archetypes,
the active principle on which depends the very existence of the archetypes.
Considered from the side of the Absolute, the Reality of Muhammad is the
creative activity itself of the Absolute, or God 'conceived as the
self-revealing Principle of the universe'. It is the Absolute in the first stage
of its eternal self-manifestation, i.e., the Absolute as the universal
Consciousness."

"Thus the Prophet Muhammad on the cosmic level corresponds almost exactly to the
Plotinian First Intellect."

"Basing himself on a Tradition: 'the first thing which God created was my
Light', Ibn 'Arabi calls the Reality of Muhammad also the 'Light of Muhammad'.
This Light had been existent even before all the creatures came into existence.
It is, in this sense, 'eternal' and 'non-temporal'.

"Since the Light was that which God created before anything else and that from
which he created everything else, it was the very basis of the creation of the
world. And it was 'Light' because it was nothing else than the First Intellect,
i.e., the Divine Consciousness, by which God manifested Himself to Himself in
the state of the Absolute Unity. And the Light is in its personal aspect the
Reality of Muhammad."

"Muhammad, as the Logos..."

John

 

MY REPLY(YAHOO GROUPS NOT POSTED)

 

>This content is seemingly not to be found in Islam

yes ,true this content is not explicitly in islam.But as hegel says if all religious truth are funemental and eternal and unchangeable the same content must be there in all religions,the only differnce being in its esoteric or exoteric sense.there are many verse in quran and sayings of prophet indicating the triune nature of god.when i shall have formed him(adam),and i shall have breathed my spirit into him(quran-15,v-29)"God created adam in His own form"(saying of prophet).sufi mysticism ,other religions like jewish mysticism and hinduism and neoplatonis  also contain this triune nature of the absolute.in fact in hinduism which has a history of BC 1000 or beyond explicitly contain this form as the incarnations of god in differnt ages like Sri Rama,Sri Krishna,etc.

now about this triune nature of absolute.All the mystcal and religious systems before Ibn arabi has this triune nature .it is ibn arabi who made the basic dual nature of absolute for the first time according to my knowledge.

";for all existence is imagination in imagination (that is to say 'subjective' or microcosmic imagination in an 'objective' collective or macrocosmic imagination) ;whereas the veritable Being is God alone and exclusively ,in respect of His Essence and of His essential determination ,not in respect of His Names ,for His Names have a double significance ;on one hand they contain a unique significance ,that is to say the essential determination of God ,who is the 'named',and on the other hand their significance make it  so that each Name distinguishes itself from the others ,the Forgiving from the Apparent , the Apparent from the Interior ,and so on ;but ,what then is the connection between one Name and another?for you will have understood that  each Name is the essential determination of every other ; in so far as one name is the essential determination of the other ,it is God ,and in so far as it differs ,it is the 'imaginary' God, as we have exposed.Exalted may He be who is proved only by Himself and who exists only by His own unchangeable Essence !There is in existence only that which denotes Unity ;and there is in imagination only that which denotes multiplicity.So ,whoever belongs to multiplicity,is in the world,with the Divine Names and with the names of the world ;and whoever belongs to Unity ,is with God in respect of His Essence 'independent of the worlds'.If the Esence is 'independent of the worlds' it means that God must be essentially independent of 'nominal relations',for the Names do not denote the Essence only ,they denote at the same time other realities ,of which  they define the manifestation."

"The Unity of God which reveals itself in respect of the Divine Names, postulating our existence is the unity of the multiple ,and the Unity of God by which He is independent of us and of the Names  ,is essential Unity ;the one and the other are contained in the Name the One (al-ahad).(fusus)

later i think only hegel made this dual nature of the absolute.hegel say about the triune nature of god only in reference to religious mind. but as philosophic mind there is only Absolute idea and absolute mind.

now this second plane as god with respect to divine names or as absolute mind all other religious,mystical,and philosophical system treat as the third plane because  the first plane essentail unity(absolute idea) is divided into two planes. one the essence or absolute idea viewd from the angle of pure essence or Absolute subject without reference to the attributes or other categories or contents and the second essence viewed from the angle of essence with essential attributes or absolute idea as absolute subject with all the other categories as its contents, its own other ,I's Mine.  

Now this is the only similarity between Ibn Arabi and Hegel .the unbridgeable gulf between Hegel and ibn arabi or for that matter all other religious and mystical systems and othe idealistic philosophers is that unlike hegel, Ibn arabi and all of them attribute an element of unknowability to the first plane,the essence or absolute idea.this is similar to spencer's unknown and unknowable,kant's thing in itself(ding an sich) or spinoza's substance(substance with infinite ,innumarable essential attributes out of which only two(thought and extension) knowable to we earthlings).

Now let as have a look at hegel's thought and it's categories.Hegel says that logic is the form of absolute before the development of nature and finite mind and they are the logical forms of the categories .now all these categories are developed from thought in the state of self consious human being.now take the self consiousness of hegel or any other man or our own self consiousness.now every self consiousness is as hegel says I as a thinker.now the only possible way of knowledge of the categories is to consider this thinker as pure thought or in other words before the development of thought as thinker.now when if think about this thought without the I element or without the knowledge element in its immedacy it is being.now how we know it is being or the begining and how we know its contents .i am not saying that kant is ridht in saying the categories are vwithout content in themselves or al the contents are derived from experience.hegel is also right in saying that categories are not only subjective as kant says but also objective.categories like space and time and cause are not only in the subjective mind but also in the objects themselves as logical forms,because there reality is also thought.what i am saying is knowedge of all these categories is only possible after experience whether external experience or internal experience like freedom,duty etc.i am saying we are knowing or remembering these categories only after we have the experience of them as logical forms in nature and finite mind.this is not only applicable to categories of nature but categories like will,freedom,duty etc because we have prior experience of them in the individual or society.i think this is what plato says all knowledge is reminicence.  

 

JOHN BARDIS POST TO RALPH

 

But, certainly, Ralph, you could be wrong about all that. Men aren't bound to
the particular
in the same way that cats and dogs are.

There's been a fair amount of scholarship that has come out on Ibn Arabi in the
past fifteen
years, and it is interesting.

But here is something from the Ibn Arabi scholar, William Chittick, that
suggests that what you
say would be true if you were talking about birds or chipmunks, but certainly
not about humans:

"In the diverse creatures of the cosmos other than man the traces of God's
names and
attributes are externalized as the specific and unique characteristics of each
thing. Every
creature in the universe 'knows' God in a specific, differentiated, and
determined way, defined
by the attributes that the thing displays, or by the 'word' that it embodies;
each thing gives
news of God and displays His signs through occupying its specific niche in the
never-repeated
speech of God that is the universe.

"Man alone is given the potential to know God in a global, synthetic manner,
because man
alone is created in the image not of one or of several specific names, but in
the image
of the all-comprehensive name Allah.

"Knowledge of things as they actually are can only come through knowing them as
disclosures of the Real. It is only this sort of knowledge that allows man to
see
that everything in this world is accursed if he does not see it as displaying
the Real,
and that he himself is accursed to the extent that he does not know that things
do
in fact display the Real.

"As Ibn Arabi said, 'The greatest sin is what brings about the death of the
heart.
It dies only by not knowing God. This is what is named "ignorance".'"

I can't imagine that Hegel would disagree with any of that.

Concerning the book about the Jews, I was interested to know if Hegel had any
Jewish students.

John

 

MY REPLY TO MR.JOHN(NOT POSTED HEGEL GROUPS)

 

First I will quote from the well known contemporary Sufi Idries Shah to show that the reality of Mohammed has no special connection  with prophet Mohammed.

 

"For ibn arabi,as for all Sufis ,Mohammed represents the perfected man.at the same time ,it is necessary to know what is meant by Mohammed in this context.Ibn arabi is more explicit than most in this point.there are two versions of Mohammed-the man who lived in Mecca and medina,and the eternal Muhammad.it is the latter one of whom he speaks.this Mohammed is identified with all the prophets including Jesus.this idea has caused people with a Christian background to claim that ibn arabi or the Sufis or both were secret Christians.the Sufi claim is that all the individuals who have performed certain functions are in a sense one.this oneness they call in its origin haqiqat -el -mohammedia ,the reality of Mohammed".

."....Mohammed for instance means the praised one....He is given names and in every age has a name which is appropriate to the guise in which he appears in that age...When he is seen as Mohammed ,he is Mohammed,but when he is seen in another form,he is called by the name of that form."

"This is not a reincarnation theory ,however much it may resemble one.the essential reality which activates the man Mohammed or anything else has to be given a name in conformity with the environment".(the Sufis-chapter-ibn arabi-Idries Shah)

 

The stage of the reality of Mohammed is neither permanent archetypes nor first intellect.in Sufism there are seven planes.three divine eternal planes,three worldly temporal planes and the seven the plane of perfect man who contain both these planes.Divine planes are ahadiyath(unknowable essence) wahdath(unity) and wahidiyath(uniqy,unity in plurality).Ahadiyath roughly corresponds to absolute idea as absolute subject with out reference to the contents or other categories and wahdath corresponds to absolute idea with its other categories as its contents and wahidiyath corresponds to absolute mind.Permanent archetypes are the stage of wahidiyat or absolute mind. but reality of Muhammad Sufis identifies with the second plane or wahdath or absolute idea with all its categories as mine.This is the logos of philo and plotinus.so this is not created light or created first consciousness.Ibn Arabi explain this stage as God descending himself to the plane of knowledge.

The worldly planes are spiritual world,similitudinary world(images) and material world.This is the world of creation or manifestation.first intellect comes only in the stage of spiritual world.

 

Most of the ibn arabi studies are based on his futuhat.but his magnum opus is fusus al hikam.There are mind blowing ideas in fusus which is not found any where else like

 

"the messengers only receive this knowledge (divine knowledge) because they are also saints ,and solely from the tabernacle of the seal of saints".

"the seal of saints imbibes at the same source(origin) as that from which the angel imbibed ,who inspired the messenger of god."

"the seal of the messenger is  connected, then ,in respect of his saintliness,to the seal of the saints.

as for the seal of the saints,he is the saint,the heir,who imbibes in the origin,the one who contemplates all ranks"

"it is from the seal of saints own spirit that his knowledge(divine knowledge) flows to each spirit,even though each may not be conscious of it while it exists in corporeal form".

 

As far as I know  fusus al hikam is not available on the net.I have made copious extractions from fusus and it is available at my web site as Book of Gems.(it also contain quotes from shankara and Hegel's encyclopedia).http://lathief1.tripod.com

regards

lathief

 

JOHN BARDIS REPLY E-MAIL

 

Thank you, Lathief, for those quotes.

 

If Hegel were alive today he would, undoubtedly, be very interested in the

thought of ibn arabi.

 

Sufism, Kabala and Christian theology are very different things, and yet there

is the sense that they are all looking at the same thing but from slightly

different perspectives.  And certainly there was also historical influence

between the three.

 

One doctrine they all share, and which is also important to Hegel, is the

doctrine that man is the image and likeness of God.

 

Here is something about that from William Chittick's book, THE SUFI PATH

OF KNOWLEDGE; IBN AL-ARABI'S METAPHYSICS OF IMAGINATION (page 27):

 

"It was said earlier that in 'ethics' or assuming the character traits of God -

which, precisely, is the Sufi path - equilibrium is everything. The divine

names must be actualized in the proper relationships, the names of beauty

preceding those of wrath, generosity dominating over justice, humility

taking precedence over magnificence, and so on. The perfect equilibrium

of the names is actualized by the perfect assumption of every trait in the

form of which human beings were created. In a word, perfect equilibrium

is to be the outward form of the name 'Allah', the Divine Presence. The

person who achieves such a realization is known as perfect man."

 

John

 

2-POST BY SHARLOO75-YAHOO GROUPS

 

Mr, Lathief- I found your observations poetic and interesting=I
notice you do not quote Hegel"s Lectures On The Philosophy of
Religion"Volume 2 Determinate Religion =I n this volume Hegel
writes extensively on various religions and these are his mature
work on the subject .==Best wishes Bob

 

MY REPLY

 

Dear Mr. John & Mr.Bob,
I have quoted mainly from encyclopedia because I only intended to
show the basic notions of Hegel about other religions.I think
detailed analysis of this notion does not change the notion.As to
Hegel's "philosophy of religion are his mature work" as long as the
basic notion does not change,and as the encyclopedia( mainly
logic&philosophy of mind) are the one he revised regularly till his
death I think the view expressed in them are also his unchanged
notion of religions.
Dear Mr.John,
I wrote a reply to your earlier letter.I don't know why it is not
posted.As I could not find your post on religion and I am not a
member of main Hegel list if possible please post it in this forum
or send it to me.
regards
lathief

 

3-STEPHEN COWLEY-HEGEL DIALOGNET

 

Dear Dr Lathief,

Some brief replies:

Stephen Cowley

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:24 PM
Subject: [hegel-dialognet] Hegel ,Judaism &Islam

L: "Dear Members,
Hegel ,Judaism &Islam
Dr Abdul Lathief
Hegel is one of my favorites and I consider him as one of the great masters
of the ages.But what confuses and surprises me is his criticism and
knowledge of other philosophers(especially Spinoza 's Substance) and the
major religions like Hinduism,Judaism,Islam and even Christianity except
perhaps Protestant Christianity."

Reply: I think Hegel's knowledge of Spinoza was good. You may know that he
helped bring out an edition of Spinoza in
Jena between 1801-07, which
demonstrates close knowledge of the text
. Certainly though, his knowledge

of other philosophers - e.g. Scholastic philosophy, was second hand, despite
his lecturing on them in his History of Philosophy lectures.

His knowledge of other religions was certainly limited. Generally though, I
would expect a philosopher to have a critical attitude to religion. I see
nothing out of order in that in principle.

L: "When Hegel says Jewish , Islamic,and Spinoza's God is Essence or its Sub
category Substance first we have to look into Hegel's notion of Essence and
Substance."

Reply: I think it might be better to take his overall aim in relation to
Spinoza, namely, "to conceive the absolute as subject as well as substance"
(Phenomenology, Preface). I am also not quite comfortable about your
conflating Hegel's views of three such different (and in the case of the
religions, internally diverse) trends of thought in this way.

L: "Hegel himself says in Science of Logic that the"content of Logic is the
exposition of God as he is in himself before the creation of nature and a
finite mind" . In Encyclopedia in the development of the Absolute as
Absolute Idea Essence is only at the second category and Substance is only
its subcategory.(I.Being II.Essence:a-Possibility b-Contingency c-Real
possibility(Necessity):-1-relationship of Substantiality 2-relationship of
Causality 3-Reciprocity. III: Notion.1-Subjective Notion 2-Object
3-Idea-a-Life b-Cognition(i-knowledge(thinking) ii-will) c-Absolute Idea.
From the above it is clear that according to Hegel Jewish,Islamic and
Spinoza,s God is not even developed in to the stage of Causality or
Reciprocity, so of course far from the Category Notion."
"The Notion is the principle of freedom, the power of substance
self-realised"(logic$160).
So according to Hegel, Jewish ,Islamic and Spinoza's God is neither a Living
(life) God,nor a Knowing or Willing God or in short a not Self realised God
but only a Substance so never contain the Notion of Absolute Idea.

Reply: He is attributing substantiality as the dominant thought, at least
in the case of Spinoza, but that is not say there may not be hints or
suggestions of higher thoughts. Also, to the extent that Hegel is actually
saying this (which I doubt), he is obviously guilty of stereotyping. If he
had had aa closer knowledge of the texts involved, I am sure he would have
acknowedged this.

L: "I will write about Hegel's criticism of Spinoza and his Substance
&Hinduism in a later article.I think any one with basic ideas of Jewish
religious texts like written Torah(old testament),Oral Torah or Talmud will
be able to see the apparent contradiction between the criticism of Hegel
and the concept of God in these Holy texts."

Reply: These are such different subjects that I would make separate
articles of them. I suspect that in speaking of Judaism, Hegel is thinking
mainly, from a Lutheran perspective, of the books of the Old Testament. I
certainly agree with you if you are suggesting that he does not do justice
to these. In the Phenomenology for example, he skips strainght from Greek
Religion to Christianity, neglecting the Jewish context of Jesus' thought.

L: "I will concentrate only on the Islamic concept of God.
According to Islam and Holy Quran and the Sufi doctrine of Emanation based
on Islamic teachings God has both Eternal and Temporal aspect.
Eternal aspect has both Transendental and Immanent elements which other
similar mystical systems like Kabbala ,Pythogrism,Neoplatonism, Buddism etc
describe as three Logi or upper Triad,or three eternal planes. So this
Eternal aspect has two (or three) planes.
[...]
Below is one Quranic verse denoting the first aspect of this plane.
"Nothing is like Him" -(Ch-XLII-verse-9)
The second aspect of this Essence is viewing this essence as Absolute in its
Unity.
[...]The third plane is that of temporal or Manifestation,as Nature and
finite mind.
Below is some Quaranic verses denoting the second plane.
"And it is He who Hears and Sees"-(Ch-XLII-9)[...]
Lastly I will quote the commentary of some of these Quranic verses by the
Sufi Ibn-Arabi-Spain(1164-1240)from his great classic Fusus al hikam ,who is
known as the Greatest Master among Sufi circles and who lived more than 500
years before Hegel..
"Nothing is like Him ,and it is He who Hears and Sees"-(Ch-XLII-9)
Commentary-Do not then ,know Him only one side ,and remain ignorant of Him
on the other;do not affirm Him here ,while denying Him there,unless you do
affirm Him under the aspect in which He Himself affirms Himself ,and you do
deny Him equally under the aspect that He himself denies,according to the
Quranic verse which synthesizes the negation and affirmation towards God:
"Nothing is like Him ,and it is He who Hears and Sees". In the first part of
this verse ,God denies (every quality with respect to Him)and in the second
part He affirms (His Being)in respect of the quality which englobes all
living beings gifted with hearing or vision.

Reply: The words of Quran 42:9 in my edition are "[...] Nothing can be
compared with him. He alone sees and hears all." This sounds like the idea
of a transcendental God to whom Subjectivity is ascribed. It is interesting
that an explication of the Quran can be made to reveal something like the
Trinitarian structure Hegel finds in the Gospels, and to which Hegel is also
attracted on grounds of pure philosophical argumentation. The only quibble
I have with this (From a broadly Hegelian perspective) is that the form of
the argument is "positive" - that is, based on an acceptance of the idea of
Revelation. Hegel I believe, criticises this in his early essay 'On the
Positivity of the Christian Religion'. It denies the autonomy of the
individual reader in responding to the text, or at least, this is not plain
in every word he utters, as is the case in Plato's Dialogues for example.

[...]
L: " As to Hegel's criticism that Jewish and Islamic God only evokes fear I
think it is enough to say only that in all the 114 chapters of the Quran
each and every chapter begins with the words: "In the name of God,Most
Compassionate,Most Merciful".
As a matter of fact Hegel himself says Religious Truth is
Eternal,fixed,fundamental and unchangeable.But the problem is when ever
Hegel speaks of Religions he only mean Christianity and when ever he speaks
of God as Truth he only means the Christian God."

Reply: I agree that Hegel is drawing a rough contrast that doesn't really
stand up to a close reading of the Quran or the Old Testament. Equally
though, the image of a God evoking "only fear" is a passing remark in Hegel.
I think fear has a place in Hegel though - he quotes somewhere, for example,
the well known saying that "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom"
(Proverbs), but goes on to say that it is only the beginning. You are
incorrect in saying that he only refers to Christianity when he speaks of
Religion. A great deal of the Lectures on the Philosophy of Religion are
concerned with non-Christian religions. It is also appropriate to remember
that Hegel was addressing a predominantly Chriatian audience, so it was
inevitable that he would address the problems of Christianity at length.

L: [quoting Hegel] "But as regards the comparison between the history of
Religion and that of Philosophy as to inner content, there is not in the
latter as there is in Religion a fixed and fundamental truth which, as
unchangeable, is apart from history. The content of Christianity, which is
Truth, has, however, remained unaltered as such, and has therefore little
history or as good as none. Hence in Religion, on account of its very nature
as Christianity, the conflict referred to disappears. The errors and
additions constitute no difficulty. They are transitory and altogether
historical in character"-(lectures on history of
philosophy-introduction-A-Notion of the history of philosophy). I conclude
this article from the same Grand Master Ibn Arabi.In contrast to the above
narrow and rigid reasoning and understanding see the knowledge of the Great
Master Ibn Arabi and what he says about God and Truth and the Virtue of
Tolerance. [...]"

Reply: On a skim through of the introduction, I haven't found this exact
quote, but I don't read Hegel's words here as "narrow and rigid" or indeed
"intolerant". He is trying to say that as a religious form, Christianity
has not developed greatly, as its essence was present (as told in the
Gospels, presumably) from the start. Nothing is implied about other
religions, which as he elsewhere says, are identical in content with
philosophy.

All the best
Stephen Cowley

 

MY REPLY

 

(post to hegel dialog-net on 8-mar-2004)

Dear Mr.Stephen Cowley,

>I am also not quite comfortable about your
> conflating Hegel's views of three such different (and in the case of the
> religions, internally diverse) trends of thought in this way.

They are different only for those who have not studied deeply these
religions.The triune form of the absolute is contained both in Jewish
mysticism and Hinduism both existed long before the time of Jesus.You may be
aware that in Hinduism even at 1000 BC the absolute mind aspect of these
triune form is represented very explicitly as the avatars (incarnation) of the absolute in different ages like Sir Rama,Sri Krishna etc.

>He is attributing substantiality as the dominant thought, at least
> in the case of Spinoza, but that is not say there may not be hints or
> suggestions of higher thoughts.
 

 

you are stretching it too far Mr.Stephen.the category of substance can not be stretched to include  categories like life,self consciousness,will etc.if we do that it cannot be then called Hegelian essence or substance but it becomes the category notion.and that was exactly my point.the substance of Spinoza is not the same as the substance category of Hegel.

when Spinoza says the substance has infinite essential attributes out of which only two main attributes, thought(corresponds to Hegel's major category notion) and extension(corresponds to Hegel's major category being)is knowable to we human it is apparent that this substance is the absolute idea of Hegel with all its categories plus including an element of unknowability.

 

> Reply:  I think Hegel's knowledge of Spinoza was good.  You may know that
he
> helped bring out an edition of Spinoza in
Jena between 1801-07, which
> demonstrates close knowledge of the text

 

you may be already read Hegel's criticism of Spinoza in science of logic(Actuality-remark-the philosophy of Spinoza&Leibniz-$1179-$1185) and chapter on Spinoza in history of philosophy.(part iii-modern philosophy-section-2).I request you to scan these parts again. I will just quote a small part from history of philosophy.May be Hegel want to show by that edition how narrow Spinoza's ideas are.

 

"As regards the philosophy of Spinoza, it is very simple, and on the whole easy to comprehend; the difficulty which it presents is due partly to the limitations of the method in which Spinoza presents his thoughts, and partly to his narrow range of ideas, which causes him in an unsatisfactory way to pass over important points of view and cardinal questions"(history of philosophy-Spinoza)

 

I will quotes some thing from Ethics to show what Spinoza's substance is.

 

. By substance, I mean that which is in itself, and is conceived through itself; in other words, that of which a conception can be formed independently of any other conception(Part I concerning God-Definition iii)

 By God, I mean a being absolutely infinite--that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality(Part-1-defi-vi)

Substance cannot be produced by anything external , it must, therefore, be its own cause--that is, its essence necessarily involves existence, or existence belongs to its nature(part-1-proposition-vii)

God, or substance, consisting of infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality, necessarily exists.(part-1-propo-xi)

Hence we drew the conclusion that extended substance is one of the infinite attributes of God(part-1-prop-xv)

Further (to say a word here concerning the intellect and the will which we attribute to God), if intellect and will appertain to the eternal essence of God, we must take these words in some significations quite different from those they usually bear. For intellect and will, which should constitute the essence of God, would perforce be as far apart as the poles from the human intellect and will, in fact, would have nothing in common with them but the name; there would be about as much correspondence between the two as there is between the Dog, the heavenly constellation, and a dog, an animal that barks. This I will prove as follows: If intellect belongs to the divine nature, it cannot be in nature, as ours is generally thought to be, posterior to, or simultaneous with the things understood, inasmuch as God is prior to all things by reason of his causality . On the contrary, the truth and formal essence of things is as it is, because it exists by representation as such in the intellect of God; Wherefore the intellect of God, in so far as it is conceived to constitute God's essence, is, in reality, the cause of things, both of their essence and of their existence. This seems to have been recognized by those who have asserted, that God's intellect, God's will, and God's power, are one and the same. As, therefore, God's intellect is the sole cause of things, namely, both of their essence and existence, it must necessarily differ from them in respect to its essence, and in respect to its existence-(part-1-prop vii)

 The existence of God and his essence are one and the same.(part-1-prop xx)

Further, all the philosophers whom I have read admit that God's intellect is entirely actual, and not at all potential; as they also admit that God's intellect, and God's will, and God's essence are identical, it follows that, if God had a different actual intellect and a different will, his essence would also have been different; and thus, as I concluded at first, if things had been brought into being by God in a different way from that which has obtained, God's intellect and--will, that is (as is admitted) his essence would perforce have been different, which is absurd.-part1-xxxiii

God's power is identical with his essence.(part-1-xxxiv)

 Thought is an attribute of God, or God is a thinking thing.(part-2-prop i)

Extension is an attribute of God, or God is an extended thing.(part-2-prop-ii)

Before going any further, I wish to recall to mind what has been pointed out above-namely, that whatsoever can be perceived by the infinite intellect as constituting the essence of substance, belongs altogether only to one substance: consequently, substance thinking and substance extended are one and the same substance, comprehended now through one attribute, now through the other. So, also, a mode of extension and the idea of that mode are one and the same thing, though expressed in two ways. This truth seems to have been dimly recognized by those Jews who maintained that God, God's intellect, and the things understood by God are identical.(part-2-prop-vii)


 >Equally
> though, the image of a God evoking "only fear" is a passing remark in
Hegel.
> I think fear has a place in Hegel though - he quotes somewhere, for
example,
> the well known saying that "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of
Wisdom"
> (Proverbs), but goes on to say that it is only the beginning.

 

I think you missed my quotes from Hegel.it is in my quote itself Hegel quotes this proverb ,but only to criticize and to point out what he think the defect of Judaism and Islam and to say indirectly the love of the lord is only the character of Christianity and so it is the only defectless religion. (I hope you don't have to be a Derrida or other postmodernists of deconstruction to know the intentionality and the unwritten words of the author.)
 

"If we consider God as the Essence only, and nothing more, we know Him only as the universal and irresistible Power; in other words, as the Lord. Now the fear of the Lord is, doubtless, the beginning, bait only the beginning, of wisdom. To look at God in this light, as the Lord, and the Lord alone, is especially characteristic of Judaism and also of Mohammedanism. The defect of these religions lies in their scant recognition of the finite, which, be it as natural things or as finite phases of mind, it is characteristic of the heathen and (as they also for that reason are) polytheistic religions to maintain intact". (Encyclopedia-Logic-$112)


>You are
> incorrect in saying that he only refers to Christianity when he speaks of
> Religion

>but I don't read Hegel's words here as "narrow and rigid" or indeed
> "intolerant".  He is trying to say that as a religious form, Christianity
> has not developed greatly,

 

I fear you have not understood Hegel here.what Hegel says is religious truth is fixed ,unchangeable and fundamental truth but philosophic truth develops through history.and what I criticized is but this eternal and fundamental truth he identifies only with Christianity(errors and addition in Christianity is only man made so historical).So he is not saying,as you think Christianity has not developed greatly.

 

"But as regards the comparison between the history of Religion and that of Philosophy as to inner content, there is not in the latter as there is in Religion a fixed and fundamental truth which, as unchangeable, is apart from history. The content of Christianity, which is Truth, has, however, remained unaltered as such, and has therefore little history or as good as none. Hence in Religion, on account of its very nature as Christianity, the conflict referred to disappears. The errors and additions constitute no difficulty. They are transitory and altogether historical in character"-(lectures on history of philosophy-introduction-A-Notion of the history of philosophy)

 

All these things ,saying other religions like Judaism and Islam are defective and only Christianity contain eternal and unchancheable truth may appear to those who believe "Jesus is the only savior and all others are doomed"like the words of St Paul the apostle and preacher or the words of our current self proclaimed Hegelian scholars .It may even feel sweet like honey to their tongue and music to their ears. but to others whether atheists,agnostics,or even a mature theist or rational religious mind it looks like "narrow and rigid "reasoning.

 

regards

lathief

 

MR.STEPHEN COWLEY’S POST

 

Dear Dr Lathief,

Some further replies:

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [hegel-dialognet] Digest Number 143

Dear Mr.Stephen Cowley,

L "They [Spinoza, Islam, Hinduism] are different only for those who have
not studied deeply these
religions.The triune form of the absolute is contained both in Jewish
mysticism and Hinduism both existed long before the time of Jesus.You may be
aware that in Hinduism even at 1000 BC the absolute mind aspect of these
triune form is represented very explicitly as the avatars (incarnation) of
the absolute in different ages like Sir Rama,Sri Krishna etc.

Response: Obviously religions can be both the same and different, depending
on what precise comparison is being made. ONe can also not assume that
every "trinitarian" formulation indicates the same thought, simply because
the number three is involved. However, I accept that know more about the
religious side than I do.

L: " you are stretching it too far Mr.Stephen.the category of substance can
not be stretched to include categories like life,self consciousness,will
etc.if we do that it cannot be then called Hegelian essence or substance but
it becomes the category notion.and that was exactly my point.the substance
of Spinoza is not the same as the substance category of Hegel.
when Spinoza says the substance has infinite essential attributes out of
which only two main attributes, thought(corresponds to Hegel's major
category notion) and extension(corresponds to Hegel's major category
being)is knowable to we human it is apparent that this substance is the
absolute idea of Hegel with all its categories plus including an element of
unknowability."

Response: I agree with thus analysis of the relation between Hegel and
Spinoza.

L: "I will just quote a small part from history of philosophy.May be Hegel
want to show by that edition how narrow Spinoza's ideas are."

"As regards the philosophy of Spinoza, it is very simple, and on the whole
easy to comprehend; the difficulty which it presents is due partly to the
limitations of the method in which Spinoza presents his thoughts, and partly
to his narrow range of ideas, which causes him in an unsatisfactory way to
pass over important points of view and cardinal questions"(history of
philosophy-Spinoza)

Response: I think this is a reference to Spinoza's geometrical method,
which Hegel also criticises in the Preface to the Phenomenology.

L: "I will quotes some thing from Ethics to show what Spinoza's substance
is.

"By substance, I mean that which is in itself, and is conceived through
itself; in other words, that of which a conception can be formed
independently of any other conception (Part I concerning God-Definition iii)
[...]

Response: Hegel takes up this general line of argument - e.g. in his late
work on the Proofs of God's Existence.

L: "I think you missed my quotes from Hegel.it is in my quote itself Hegel
quotes this proverb ["The fear of the Lord, etc"] ,but only to criticize and
to point out what he think the defect of Judaism and Islam and to say
indirectly the love of the lord is only the character of Christianity and so
it is the only defectless religion. (I hope you don't have to be a Derrida
or other postmodernists of deconstruction to know the intentionality and the
unwritten words of the author.)"

Response: I am not convinced that there is a direct parallel in Islam or
Judaism to the life of Christ, though the similarities are great. What so
you see as the parallel here? I'm afraid I might have problems with
"unwritten words". That could mean that we are simply reading our own views
(or their opposite) into an author. We should perhaps stick to clear
inferences.

L: [quoting Hegel]: "If we consider God as the Essence only, and nothing
more, we know Him only as the universal and irresistible Power; in other
words, as the Lord. Now the fear of the Lord is, doubtless, the beginning,
bait only the beginning, of wisdom. To look at God in this light, as the
Lord, and the Lord alone, is especially characteristic of Judaism and also
of Mohammedanism. The defect of these religions lies in their scant
recognition of the finite, which, be it as natural things or as finite
phases of mind, it is characteristic of the heathen and (as they also for
that reason are) polytheistic religions to maintain intact".
(Encyclopedia-Logic-$112)

Response: This seems to me on the whole an unfair comment on these two
religions (and on some polytheism), though I can also see the point he is
trying to make about balance, by attributing lack of it to two stalking
horses.

L: "I fear you have not understood Hegel here.what Hegel says is religious
truth is fixed ,unchangeable and fundamental truth but philosophic truth
develops through history.and what I criticized is but this eternal and
fundamental truth he identifies only with Christianity(errors and addition
in Christianity is only man made so historical).So he is not saying,as you
think Christianity has not developed greatly."

Response: Surely there is both development and some kind of constant
reference point against which change is measured and evaluated - in both
philosophy and religion.

L: "as regards the comparison between the history of Religion and that of
Philosophy as to inner content, there is not in the latter as there is in
Religion a fixed and fundamental truth which, as unchangeable, is apart from
history. The content of Christianity, which is Truth, has, however, remained
unaltered as such, and has therefore little history or as good as none.
Hence in Religion, on account of its very nature as Christianity, the
conflict referred to disappears. The errors and additions constitute no
difficulty. They are transitory and altogether historical in
character"-(lectures on history of philosophy-introduction-A-Notion of the
history of philosophy)"

Response: I think this passage needs to be read closely. Hegel says for
example that the content of Christianity is truth. He doe not say (nor do
his words imply) that the content of Judaism or Islam is not also truth. I
find the statement that there is no fundamental truth in philosophy
untypical of Hegel's views as a whole, and therefore hard to interpret in
isolation. I think he would qualify it if he were to maintain it at any
length.

L: "All these things ,saying other religions like Judaism and Islam are
defective and only Christianity contain eternal and unchancheable truth may
appear to those who believe "Jesus is the only savior and all others are
doomed"like the words of St Paul the apostle and preacher or the words of
our current self proclaimed Hegelian scholars and apostles like Trojan
Paul,I mean imitations like Trojan horse.it may even feel sweet like honey
to their tongue and music to their ears. but to others whether
atheists,agnostics,or even a mature theist or rational religious mind it
looks like "narrow and rigid "reasoning."

Response: I agree with your general point that we should compare religious
traditions.

I gather from your other e-mail that you have found alleged non-posting of
e-mails frustrating. I am not sure of the reason for this happening, though
I know from experience of other lists that it is greatly frustrating to put
effort into communicating one's thoughts and then find them scrubbed out
without explanation. Having said that, it would be magnanimous on your
point to refrain from name calling until the matter can be cleared up in a
spirit of mutual understanding and common scholarly endevour.
Perhaps using

the Hegel-religion list would be a solution? Hegel-dialognet remains open
to all communications.

All the best
Stephen Cowley

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